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#1657014 - 2013-09-28 11:00:43 卦盤常見“問題”
向日葵花季 離線
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1,無效卦盤是指不能解答的卦盤。

Ans: 並非不能解答。是卦盤對占星師的提醒,可能會遇到的某些狀況。

2,卦盤的有效期。

Ans:卦盤沒有所謂“有效期”。應期跟有效期是不一樣的概念。一般來說,當卦盤的主要徵象星發生了緊密的相位時(是星曆表上的顯示,這代表是真實發生的),會發生跟問題有關的重要事件。而另外推算卦盤應期的方法是指問題解決或者事件完成或者事情告一段落的時間。

3.卦盤的結果是不是既定的?

時常有人問我:“卦盤的結果是不是既定的,無法改變的。” 對於這個問題,我覺得這是中西方對“上天旨意“的理解差異。我們中國人所認為的“天意”或者“天命”是指那種既定不變的東西或者權威。而西方人,尤其是在基督教的影響下,“天意”或者“神旨”是一種可以協商的關係,“人” 與 “神” 的協商,“下” 對“上” 的協商,“普通” 對“權威” 的協商。所以就算是在400多年前的William Lilly寫的案例中,“Counsel”也時常出現,Bonatti在146條開篇第1條就強調卦盤最終是“提問人自由意識的結果”。

強調卦盤是自由意識的結果以及將ASC當做提問人。這其中的潛台詞是默認了提問人對問題或者事件具有一定的掌控能力。卦盤的目的不是為了告訴對方一個既定的事實或者結果(雖然有時候卦盤說的確實最後變成了事實)。卦盤最大的功效還是在於:它能夠幫我們認清事實,理清思路,為未來做好準備。但事件的解決和處理還是要依靠我們自己的智慧,不能指望卦盤能夠憑空給我們帶來自己想要的東西。


待續。。。
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#1657121 - 2013-09-28 21:51:43 Re: 卦盤常見“問題” [Re: 向日葵花季]
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#1657246 - 2013-09-29 09:53:44 Re: 卦盤常見“問題” [Re: 向日葵花季]
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不要問傻問題

卜卦占星是什麼,能做什麼,不能做什麼。不光占星師要明白,顧客也要明白。寫了一些跟卜卦占星原理和提問有關的文章,也是為了能讓來找我占卜的顧客清楚“占卜諮詢工作的流程”到底是怎麼一回事。

我的占卜老師-蘇老師說,我不光是想要學習卜卦,還很努力想要瞭解西方的文化。她說得一點都沒錯。因為我發覺文化的差異下,占卜的原理、側重點都不一樣。我很想抓住兩者相似或者相通的地方。但前提還是我要對這兩種文化都有足夠的瞭解。

比如說,在看社會地位上,由於中西方文化的差異,我覺得八字還是比占星更適用於東方一些。這是我在理解原理和實踐上的體會。言歸正傳,今天先來談談“問題”本身對於西洋卜卦占星的重要性,以及什麼樣的“問題”是不適合卜卦占星的。

在這裡,我想介紹Deborah Houlding的一篇文章,讓大家先瞭解西方占星家是如何看待這個問題的。

介紹的形式是:英語原文+部分中文提示。

原文的地址:http://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_questions.html

.. beware of those cases wherein the astrologer is subject to err and mistake …. when the querent is so silly he knows not how to ask or what he would have.
Bonatus, consideration 7.


All of the great horary authorities - ancient, traditional and modern - have stressed the need for deep thought and contemplation in the framing of the horary question. In 'The Considerations of Guido Bonatus', the 13th century Italian astrologer whose works have been so influential upon horary technique, the first consideration in the art of skilful practice requires the astrologer to reflect upon what has moved the querent to consult with the astrologer. [ 1 ]

Bonatti 提醒占星家要注意提問人的發問動機,避免因為“問題”本身的愚蠢而造成占星家解讀的失誤。

Bonatus tells us that the mind must be sufficiently stirred to create the intent to enquire - and yet "although the mind be moved to enquire, 'tis not enough unless the superior bodies sympathize therewith". In this comment Bonatus explains that a question, even one that the querent fervantly wants to ask, does not necessarily produce a horary deserving of judgement. There has to be some sympathy from the "superior and celestial bodies; so that they at that time imprint on the thing enquired after, what shall become of it". Bonatus also says that the free will of the querent must be acknowledged. Free will gives the power to choose whether to ask the question in the first place, and it must be by the election of the querent's own free will that he or she volunteers to engage in conversation with the superior and celestial bodies.

Bonatti 曾經介紹過造成“問題”的三個原因,強調只有在我們自由意識的許可下,我們才能通過星盤與“上天的神聖意志”進行交談。另外一個有效的卦盤也必定能夠反映出“問題”,即卦盤的顯示能夠反映出事件的過去、現在、以及未來。

In gaining the sympathy of the 'celestial bodies' we expect the question to produce a chart that, by its astrological factors, descriptively and reliably reflects the question. But in order to gain the true sympathy of the celestial bodies we must first gain the sympathy of the superior bodies, which moves us higher into the realm of divinity, the superior spheres relating more directly to the divine will of God and the angelic forces. If, and only if, both of these are in sympathy with our question, we, the inferiors, may benefit from their guidance. But we must willingly and freely participate - for even God and the planets together cannot give us an answer if we are not willing to listen, nor can they influence our actions against our will.

再次重申和補充上一段的內容。

This is a mighty consideration for astrologers to reflect upon. Bonatus is explaining that the astrologer, as the interpreter of all this interaction, cannot expect a sacred revelation from the chart unless the consultation is conducted with an earnest approach. The querent must be willing to listen, but he or she must also be capable of gaining the sympathetic interest of 'the gods'.

Bonatus' second consideration exemplifies this. Before an astrologer may be capable of performing good work there is a responsibility to ensure that the querent approaches the enquiry in a manner that is sincere and deserving of such heavenly attention. Bonatus suggests that due preparation would involve prayer, adopting a devout spirit, giving focus to the problem so that the guidance revolves around a certain and particular matter of honest importance. The question should never be based upon "trifling occasions, or light sudden emotions, much less on matters base or unlawful". In his view, barring those occasions when the question is prompted by a sudden matter of great urgency, the querent ought to have tossed and turned over the matter for at least 24 hours before putting it to an astrologer. We can presume he would expect the querent to make all possible attempts to resolve the problem in this time, resorting to astrology only when such a committed attempt fails to ease the disturbance of the mind and spirit.

Bonatti 希望提問人先要盡自己一切可能的努力去解決問題,假如實在沒有辦法的情況下再提問會更恰當。

In recent times interest in horary astrology has swelled amongst astrologers who are keen to become reacquainted with traditional astrological knowledge, and strive to learn its techniques and understand its approach. But the traditional approach to horary is based upon the enquiry fulfilling the fundamental criteria set out in the considerations that Bonatus saw fit to put at the top of his list. The 17th century horary master William Lilly, who translated and published Bonatus' work, added an editorial note of agreement. He claims that those who take this sober course shall be rewarded with a true and reliable judgement, but those who don't undermine the sincerity of astrology and bring scandal to its practitioners. Lilly states that the astrologer is not to blame for this, the fault lying with the "ignorant, silly Querent".

In my opinion, Lilly's footnote has detracted more from the thoughtful wisdom of Bonatti's message than it adds. The astrologer, as the orchestrator of the divinational process, should take accountability for the questions that are put to horary judgement and should be responsible for rejecting the questions that are in essence less than sincere. I believe this is the very reason why Bonatti included the issue as the first matter for the astrologer to contemplate. Of course, a modern astrological practitioner would not send a client away with the suggestion that they come back when they can prove they've spent 24 hours in prayer or reflective meditation, but generally the nature of the question will reveal whether it is a matter that the superior bodies might 'sympathise' with.

I might add that of all the 'considerations before judgement' this is the only one that I believe is capable of negating the horary to result in an 'empty' chart, that is, one devoid of any valuable significance. Personally I'm not even interested if the planetary positions mirror the question - we all resonate to the planets at a general level and the energies of astrological movements constantly bring our concerns to the surface and draw our attention from this to that. This demonstrates celestial sympathy and the chart that results from a question provoked by the mood of the moment displays just that. It very often reflects the question that has surfaced, or the issues that colour our minds. We might make the case that these charts are descriptive of the question, but unless there is divine sympathy, they will not be revealing of an unseen answer.

This morning I received an all-too typical request for a horary judgement. A woman had just attended an interview for a new job and wanted to know whether the decision (which was made later in the day) would be in her favour. Money was not an object for her, but neither was it a persuasive factor for me to engage in a horary that offers no opportunity to affect the outcome or return astrological assistance. This question, and all its deviants: 'will the letter arrive today?', 'will I get the loan I have just applied for?', 'will the pregnancy test come up positive?' and more [ 2 ] - are all based on idle curiosity and undisciplined impatience rather than a request for guidance on a matter of honest importance. My prospective client was understanding of my reasons and I'm sure will be even more likely to call again when a matter more responsive to astrological investigation presents itself. When I see the technical discussions that revolve around questions of this nature published in our journals, books, online forums and magazines, I despair, but not of the querent. If there is an ignorant and silly attitude being expressed, which leads us to error and brings scandal upon our art, there is no one but the artist to blame.

Deb談到的單純出於好奇的問題呢是不謹慎的,也是容易導致錯誤的。這確實也是我們在論壇甚至諮詢中常遇到的情況。


Fellow astrologers may wish to argue against my views - they are welcome to make their case. As horary astrology re-emerges to absorb the serious interest of astrologers in a new era we are in danger of recreating the same destructive environment that saw it perish in every previous period of decline. Popularisation leads to trivialization which turns horary into an impotent and unreliable tool. Reflection upon Bonatti's words should stand as a portal of entry into horary study beyond which no one should venture without qualification.

Deb認為雞毛蒜皮的問題會讓卦盤同時也變得膚淺。請注意,提問時的意願強弱與卦盤顯示的清晰程度是成正比的。

A sincere astrologer does not seek to become a decision-making prop for those too gullible, too superficial or too idle to think their problems through for themselves. The study of astrology seeks to empower people from the inside out. Most astrologers appreciate that maturity and personal development are the result of facing problems and meeting challenges, and nowhere in any of our philosophy is the view endorsed that we can freely give away answers or reveal anything that is asked without requiring commitment from the querent or approaching the enquiry with the respectful attitude it deserves.

卜卦不是讓占星家來做決策,而是希望能夠幫助提問人自我的成長。

Astrologers always get the chance to probe the issues underlying the question. We too have free will and have every opportunity to use it when deciding whether or not our understanding of the question corresponds with the standards we set.

The Considerations of Guido Bonatus

1. The First, is to observe what it is that moves a person to propose or ask a question of an Astrologer; where we must take notice of three motions: the First, of the mind, when a man is stirred up in his thoughts and hath an intent to enquire; a Second, of the superior and celestial bodies; so that they at that time imprint on the thing enquired after, what shall become of it; the Third, of the free will which disposes him to the very act of enquiring; for although the mind be moved to enquire, 'tis not enough unless the superior bodies sympathize therewith; nor is such motion of the stars enough, unless by the election of his will the person does actually enquire.

2. The Second Consideration is (what we hinted at before) the method or manner everyone ought to observe that enquires of an Astrologer; which is, that when he intends to take an artist's judgment of things past, present, or to come, he should, first, with a devout spirit, pray unto the Lord, from whom proceeds the success of every lawful enterprise, that he would grant him the knowledge of those things of the truth of which he would be resolved; and then let him apply himself to the astrologer with a serious intent of being satisfied in some certain and particular doubt, and this not on trifling occasions, or light sudden emotions, much less on matters base or unlawful, as many ignorant people used to do; but in matters of honest importance, and such as have possessed and disturbed his mind for the space of a day and night or longer; unless in sudden accidents which admit not of delay.

Note by Lilly. - Those that take this sober course, shall find the truth in what they enquire after; but whosoever do otherwise, deceive both themselves and the artist; for a foolish Querent may cause a wise Respondent to err, which brings a scandal upon Art amongst inconsiderable people, whereas the Astrologer is not blameable, but the ignorant silly Querent.


The above reproduces the first two considerations of Guido Bonatus including Lilly's note as published on pages 1-2 of the Regulus facsimilie edition of: The Astrologer's Guide: Anima Astrologiae.
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Bonatti 146條之第1、2條全文。

Some other examples of client horaries I have declined to judge:

Deb拒絶回答的“問題”舉例。

Will our second home that we are having built abroad be a 'happy home'?
[ Pointless ] 我新蓋的房子會是一個“快樂的家嗎?” Deb點評,這是無重點的提問。

I asked the querent what she would do if the horary suggested that it wouldn't - stop building? Have it pulled down? Since she had committed herself to the home by investing in it in the first place, it was up to her to make it a happy one.


Can you help me find the earring that dropped from my ear a few moments ago as I was hanging some new curtains? 你能幫我找到剛剛丟失的耳環嗎?Deb點評,無意義的提問。
[ Idle ]

I explained that I wouldn't attempt to do that by astrology, but offered to drive around and find it by searching if she paid me the equivalent. (This was asked by a local astrologer who had just heard me giving a talk about finding missing objects through horary).

Will I sell my house? I'm not sure if it's relevant but I don't want to move if my lover decides to come and live with me. He's married. But his wife is terminally ill with cancer.
[ Dishonest question ] 我會賣掉房子嗎?我不確定,但是假如我不賣的話,擔心情人會時不時來找我,而他已經結婚了,不過妻子已經得了癌症即將去世。 Deb點評,不誠實的提問。

The querent started asking about a straightforward property matter but it soon became apparent that she really wanted to know how long she would have to wait to see if and when her married lover would commit, which hinged upon the question of how long his wife had left to live.


Will I get my prospective lover into bed tonight? 我今天能跟他發生關係嗎?Deb點評:低级的提問。
[ Base ]

I cannot count the number of times that requests for horary centre around the prospect of having sex at a particular time or with a certain person. Take a look through William Lilly's relationship charts. The issues revolve around marriage, making genuine commitments, discovering duplicity, life-turning events and reconciliations that affect the practical prospects of everyday life. The reason why there is so much confusion about which house rules sex is because ancient astrologers were never so impudent in the questions they sought heavenly guidance upon. Of course there may be very sincere questions asked concerning sex or matters of a sexual nature; but this is not one of them.


Will he/she call me? 對方會給我回電話嗎?Deb點評,不嚴謹的提問。
[ Undisciplined impatience ]

If the call is important, have the presence of mind to make it yourself. If it isn't important, have the discretion to wait and let someone else reveal their commitment or lack of interest in the fullness of time.


Should I invest in this stock, or that stock today? 今天的股市怎樣?要進場嗎?Deb點評,平常瑣事的提問。

[ Trivial ]

In my book, not knowing what to do with your money rarely qualifies as a problem. I have taken some questions on this theme but only when the querent has been able to demonstrate that they've made adequate investigations of their own and this is a major financial concern. There are a range of astrological techniques available to explore financial astrology, horary is only useful where there is a focussed attention upon a matter that seeks to avoid apprehension.


There are more, but I'm sure my point has been made.
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全文完

分享這篇文章,並非強調這是卜卦占星中必須遵守的清規戒律。任何觀點、知識要能夠理解,還是需要自己的親身體會。大家可以在自己的卜卦過程中注意一下,體驗一下。

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